Building new rig
01 Apr - 09:51
Building a new pc. This is what I found so far:
Power Supply: Cooler Master V serie 550 W
CPU cooler: NZXT Kraken X52
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB DDR4-2400 CL16 kit
Case: NZXT H440 Black+ red
SSD: I'll transfer my 2 SSD from the current system.
The next components depends on the price and performance of AMD Ryzen 1600X. Should perform equal to an i5 but hopefully cheaper.
In which case I take this motherboard: great board for 125 EUR.
Gigabye GA-AB350-Gaming 3
For the graphics, I'll stick for this year proably to the GTX 970. Also here hoping to see some competition and price drops when the AMD Vega series launches. The word on the street says it can beat the GTX 1080.
35 posts01 Apr - 12:15
Damn son even a liquid cooler. Looks good ,but if you chose GTX series you might want to go for the GTX 1070 instead of the GTX 1080 unless you are into VR or run two 4k monitors.
01 Apr - 15:22
Get a better Power Supply for that fancy hardware
01 Apr - 15:47
On hardware.info they recommend 550w for gaming pc, unless you want to put in sli or crossfire.
01 Apr - 17:05
Sephi has a AX860 for about 7-8 years now and still working without an issue. PSU's loose there W's over the years. I rather buy a good one straight off the bat then having to switch in 2 years. It feeds all of your $$$ equipment, so I don't mind spending an extra penny on it to keep everything stable and safe
That's what most rookie builders forget: Don't cheap out on MOBO and PSU as that's what keeps your pc running.
01 Apr - 18:10
Currently have 650w as well.
Then I take this one: Corsair RM650x
Just found this board, should be under 200 EUR. MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON
The gigabyte x370 chipset costs over 200 EUR so that's why I took first the gaming 3 version and not the gaming 5 version. This might be the first build since decades not the house a Gigabyte motherboard.
01 Apr - 18:30
Yep that is already a better one
And in my opinion ASUS > Gigabyte > MSI
01 Apr - 19:05
If I were you, I would wait with CPU/ MOBO and GPU as big things are going to happen
01 Apr - 19:59
Of course. 11 April 1600x release date. First need new benchmarks. And gpu won't change this year. Wait on Vega and battalion 1944.
02 Apr - 14:43
I know 8 would be enough for most situations The issue I'm having that I'm getting really close to 8 gb on normal load. and when programming its getting close to 10-11 I heard from Skrimbler that most of the laptop he installs at work is 4gb. Which is insane as Windows already uses 2. Add chrome to the table and you're almost running 100% of ram. Now the question is, what happens when RAM is fully loaded? It clears what was in there and adds the newly data to the ram. What does this cause? Your first opened program will not be in the ram and therefor loads from the disc again. For typical loads that is now issue as your MS Word would open a second later, but when in-game you'll notice CPU spikes. @Robin. So yes , 8 will be enough for any gaming situation as it'll clear unimportant data from the ram.
03 Apr - 06:43
No need to go higher than 550W. Modern components draw less power than old stuff so 550W should be enough.
I would recommend you to stick to Intel CPUs. The new AMD ones are better for work related stuff since it has more cores but lower GHz. Also for future needs its easier to have intel since more gaming hardware is made for intel and not AMD. Intel masterrace!
Also, get 16GB of ram. You might aswell. You wont need all of it now but you probably will in the near future so why not.
Nice rig overall! I like the new NZXT watercooler. I use a custom watercooling loop myself that I've built! :D
03 Apr - 08:16
Thank you for the feedback ohdear.
The interesting thing about amd ryzen besides the value for money, is that am4 motherboards will be used for coming years. Intel 1151 on the other hand is a dead end. New cpu means new mobo for intel. So upgradability of amd rig is higher.
The good thing about memory is that you can always add more. Price of 2x4gb or 2x8gb is exactly 1/2. So adding in a year or 2 more memory is always an option. The biggest waste of money is unused ram as there is no performance gain at all. The article shows that for 1fps in 1 on 20 games, it is not worth it today.
03 Apr - 16:34
No games for me till Wednesday or thursday. I sold my case, fans, dvd writer and power supply. They come to pick it up tonight.
03 Apr - 18:23
HAHAHA I knew you'd do it again!
03 Apr - 20:19
04 Apr - 01:34
I can't believe I've been off line while this discussion has been ongoing! Love helping spend money
04 Apr - 09:21
Oh god Brussie... I usualy get my new parts before I sell my old lol
04 Apr - 09:50
I thought let's put them on the internet. I did not know people want my stuff after 2 days.
40 euro for a three year old power supply. That's 50% of original price.
And the case, I thought that would be a hard sell. 30 euro for case, the fans and the dvd burner I had in the closet = good deal. Case cost 80 or so 3 years ago.
04 Apr - 10:02
You didn't know, forgot about last time?
04 Apr - 10:54
08 Apr - 08:29
After a zillion hours of reading and analyzing, I have to conclude that the Ryzen 5 1600X will be an amazing CPU for multitaskers and video editors but for someone like me who only uses the power of the pc for gaming it's not. If you are into that stuff, you should defenitly go for the 1800X as it beats Intel in everything hard (except gaming). Games don't use all the cores, only 2 to 4 (except BF1) and rely more a the power of a single core than the strength of the combination.
The 1600X will perform exactly as the 1800X in games as it is the same chip with 2 cores disabled. So even it's not yet released, we do have a good idea about what it will bring.
So in stead of buying a 250 EUR 1600X and a close to 200 EUR motherboard with X370 chip, I've spend my money differently. I bought a cheaper motherboard, one with a H270 chip. Why not the Z270 (Intel) or X370 (AMD): I don't overclock, I don't have 2 GPU's, I don't have alot of connections needed and I don't need fancy audio gold connectors, the latest realtek chip 1200 and some fancy audio software to improve the gaming experience. Cheaper means more budget for the next item:
I bought the Sennheiser GSX 1200 to do the great audio for me. So the only reason to have an expensive mobo, is now of the table. Indeed the GSX 1200 and not the 1000 like drunkmonk has. When we go to lan party, we can use the build in voice chat to reduce the delay. :) No that's not the reason. It was in promo and cheaper than any GSX 1000 I could find.
I bought a 200 EUR processor: the i5 7500. It's 50 EUR cheaper than the 1600X, so it opened budget for the sennheiser. It has same performance as the 6600K at stock rates but comes cheaper. The 7600 costs 40 extra for a few percent more performance, that doesn't validate the price of 20% extra. Same for the 7600K unless you are a master in overclock.
Power Supply: Corsair RM 650x : Amazon.de 110 EUR
CPU cooler: NZXT Kraken X62 : Tones.be 160 EUR
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB DDR4-2400 CL16 kit : Codima.be 63 EUR
Case: NZXT H440 Black + red : Tones.be 125 EUR
CPU: i5 7500 : Amazon.de 200 EUR
Motherboard: Asus Prime H270-PRO : Cyberport.de 134 EUR
Sound: Sennheiser GSX 1200 PRO : Cyberport.de 211 EUR
Graphics card: I keep my GTX 970 till Vega benchmarks
SSD: I keep my 850 PRO 256GB and 850 EVO 256GB
Optical drive: I keep my Asus Blu-ray combo
External case for optical drive: Raidsonic ICY BOX : Megekko.nl 55 EUR
Only need to investigate if the watercooling CPU is worth the money. I haven't ordered yet. Feedback appreciated!
08 Apr - 13:00
Look forward to your feedback on the Senneiser GSX 1200. Should in theory be the same as the 1000, but as you say you can connect it up for LAN parties.
With regards to the watercooler, I know you said you don't OC, (and that's where a water cooler really comes into it's own), but even if you don't, replace the stock cooler that comes with your CPU. They are generally poor and noisy. Another reason for a water cooler is how much quieter your PC will run.
If you don't OC, then you can get a smaller rad, like a 120mm / 140mm cooler. Something like the NZXT Kraken X42 or the Corsair H80i V2 would be ideal. Both shoud fit in any case, not really great for heavy OC'ing, but will allow you to run your PC alot quieter than a fan cooler and if you wanted you could do a light OC.
Just my humble opinion anyway. Personally I would never now run my CPU without a water cooling solution. And these all in one solutions mean you never have to worry about maintentance, ie. no need to top the water up or anything like that.
08 Apr - 14:02
Reading alot of negative feedback on the corsair H100i v2, H110i and H115i. The stock fans are to noisy at performance setting.
If you ditch the led lights and go for silence and cool: be quiet!
Should I add a fan on top?
Front: 3 x 120mm FN V2 Fans Included
Top: 2x 140/3x120mm
Rear: 1 x 140mm FN V2 Fan Included
Top 2 x 140 or 3 x 120mm
If I attach the liquid radiator on top of 120mm or 240mm, I still have room to add one 120mm.
08 Apr - 15:29
My rad is attached at the top, and I was able to place extra fans so I have it in a push/pull config as an intake
08 Apr - 18:10
I can't find a decent watercooler at a price range for my needs (not-OC) that makes no sound. The Silent Loops was probably the most interesting. Corsair can't run at low db, I've read it everywhere.
Then I prefer a silent air cooler. Much cheaper! Opens some more budget to pay for the Sennheiser. :-) I still had spent more than originally planned before I decided not to take the liquid cooling. So now that's fixed.
I currently have the very good 212 EVO, so let's look at the upgrade with a red led for my red case. Cooler Master Hyper 212 Led
And add a 140 mm case fan: Corsair ML140 Pro LED Should be very quiet. Maybe put this one on the rear and the current one on top. Might look better.
08 Apr - 22:21
What's your budget for a cooler mate?
09 Apr - 10:34
I don't have a budget determined. But I am a finance guy so going yolo on buying equipment isn't my style. I need a good ratio investment/performance. So a fancy liquid cooler is good for OC but for me one of the best air coolers for non-OC will do just fine. So that's why I ordered the Hyper 212 LED.
So to complete my RIG:
CPU cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 LED : Megekko.nl 32 EUR
Case fan: Corsair ML140 PRO LED Red 140mm : Megekko.nl 30 EUR
That brings the total on 960 EUR.
Minus revenu from second hand sales = -70 EUR and probably can sell the mobo, cpu and memory for 200 EUR.
10 Apr - 15:42
We want pics of the new rig Brussisiiiieeeee
10 Apr - 19:50
I want to receive my goodies first !
Should have everything by Thursday.
13 Apr - 10:01
I learned my lesson. Sold my motherboard, cpu cooler and memory for 190euro. It was only online for 5hours. But I got all my new gear today.
Tonight is building time. Will do a fresh install of windows creators edition.
Should keep me going for the next 2 or 3 years. Then quad core will be like dual core 5 years ago. So zen 2 chip is my next buy.
15 Apr - 02:09
Sold the cpu cooler as well. So in total sold old hardware for 270 EUR.
It came in bits and pieces but it's all here and installed.
Really facinating sound! Big investment but worth it!
CPU cooler gives red led as well. Ready for the LAN PARTY !
41 posts25 May - 08:34
Nice built Brussie, seen PC and as i told you, looks really great. Ready for some
My stuff should arrive today so hopefully i have a builtday today as well :)
25 May - 10:51
Looking good Brussie. You'll be more OP than before